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Lawrence Brunner's avatar

Why is it that people can say that resources are limited? A resource is something that we know how to use. Before 1840 or so, petroleum was not a resource, it was just something that polluted when it leaked out of the ground. Whale oil was used - obviously that was limited, but then petroleum became useful. Before 1900 or so, gasoline was a waste product of petroleum refining - kerosene was used.

Before nuclear power was developed, we didn't use uranium for anything - now we can generate power from it. If nuclear power were not demonized by environmentalists, and we built nuclear power plants, then electricity would be too cheap to meter. And we can generate nuclear power from thorium, which isn't useful for building bombs.

Also, the idea that we are destroying the environment (less clean air and water), is typical environmentalist nonsense. Any decent measure of the state of the environment shows tremendous progress. For example, there are about 1% of the deaths from climate disasters (hurricanes, etc) as there were 100 - 120 years ago.

The de-growth people are believers in sumptuary laws. Just as in ancient times, when only royalty was allowed to wear purple, today degrowthers don't believe that the average deplorable should be able to have all the conveniences that plentiful energy allows. Read John Tierney's piece in City JournalL https://www.city-journal.org/needless-panic-over-disposable-plastic

The Perverse Panic over Plastic: The campaign against disposable bags and other products is harming the planet and the public. John Tierney Winter 2020

Remember Paul Ehrlich's quote: In fact, giving society cheap, abundant energy at this point would be the moral equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.

One final point: The GREEN Revolution (pioneered by Norman Borlaug) enabled more food to be grown on less land. This was great for wildlife. But this was OPPOSED by environmentalists and degrowjhers. But disallowing these modern seeds and farming methods would lead to more land being put under cultivation to grow needed food, and less habitat for wild species, which is what environmentalists would supposedly be against (not really, since they have no problem taking up land for wind farms and solar generation, which have a huge need for land, unlike nuclear power),

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erin's avatar

The degrowth movement, last time I checked, was a couple of guys financed by Richard Heinberg. I hung out on their blog, asking them how they propose to implement their longings. No clue.

Nevertheless, infinite econ growth is nonsense. There are limits to what the planet can provide. Why does mainstream econ lie about it? :-)

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